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Post Re: Are Conservatives destroying the Republican Party?
Huffy is as huffy does.

Feeling are not important. Truth is.

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Post Re: Are Conservatives destroying the Republican Party?
Feelings ARE important. Without feelings, there is no compassion, there is no charity, there is no love, there is no hope for humanity.

You don't get to define "truth".

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Post Re: Are Conservatives destroying the Republican Party?
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Gom--
Frank Rich was specifically discussing right wing conservatives, whom he defines as those who generally agree with Palin, Beck, Limbaugh, and others on the far right wing of the Republican Party--defined especially in terms of "social" issues like gay rights and abortion. It sounds like you agree that Palin, Beck, Limbaugh and others like them are not true conservatives and are perhaps detrimental to the Republican Party--which is Rich's point. I know a lot of Republicans who think their party has been highjacked by these extremists. Sounds like you're not wild about them either.


You are right Gom is making Rich's point, but for the wrong reason. You got it backwards. Gom is saying Beck and Palin aren't conservative enough for him. They fail his conservative purity test.


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Arlo wrote:
Huffy is as huffy does.

Feeling are not important. Truth is.

Arlo, it makes me sad when you are unkind to my mother. And it also makes me angry. Mostly it makes me feel that my site is a failure. Please be more considerate of the feelings of other people, given that we have irreconcilable differences concerning truth. Since this is the case, our only options are to be kind to one another, or escalate our differences until we are at war. And I will not have war on my site.

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Post Re: Are Conservatives destroying the Republican Party?
Arlo wrote:
Conservatives believe in the dignity of the individual.


Unless that individual is an immigrant, gay, foreign looking, a Muslim, an atheist, a communist, or a liberal.

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We believe that we have a right to live, to live freely, and to pursue our dreams, not because the government says that we can, but because they are God-given and natural rights.


Yep, because Jesus wrote the Constitution.

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We know a government big enough to give us everything is big enough to take away everything.


Just so long as its big enough to peek into your bedroom and also maintain hundreds of military bases in over a hundred nations.

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Conservatives believe in a civil society, where the individual has rights and is not some number or member of a group.


Just so long as the individual isn't a member of certain groups.

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We believe the individual in unique, that he has a soul and conscience and is free to find his potential and pursue his own legitimate interests. He is expected to be tempered by a moral order that is virtuous, restrained, ethical and honorable. We reject relativism that blurs the lines between what is right and what is wrong.


And what is right and wrong is whatever conservative Christians say it is.

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Conservatives believe the individual has a duty to respect the rights, values, customs and traditions of others. We believe that every citizen has a duty to contribute voluntarily to the well being of his community.


And volunteers should speak English only please.

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Conservatives believe in liberty and private property. We believe we have the right to live freely, to acquire property through our own intellectual and physical labor.


Not to mention through the protection and market infrastructures provided by government. No really, please don't mention it. Shhh.

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We believe in the rule of law and that it is the responsibility of government to provide us safety and security. We believe that the law should be applied equally to everyone.


And "everyone" includes all people except for certain Republican government officials in office after 9/11/01.

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We believe in free speech, even when that speech is hate filled.


Especially when it's hate filled.

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I think Thomas Jefferson would agree with us. Don’t you?


Indubitably.

"Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1785

"The rich alone use imported articles, and on these alone the whole taxes of the General Government are levied. The poor man who uses nothing but what is made in his own farm or family, or within his own country, pays not a farthing of tax to the general government, but on his salt; and should we go into that manufacture also, as is probable, he will pay nothing. Our revenues liberated by the discharge of the public debt, and its surplus applied to canals, roads, schools, etc., the farmer will see his government supported, his children educated, and the face of his country made a paradise by the contributions of the rich alone, without his being called on to spend a cent from his earnings." Thomas Jefferson to Thaddeus Kosciusko, 1811


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Post Re: Are Conservatives destroying the Republican Party?
spblat wrote:
Arlo wrote:
Arlo, it makes me sad when you are unkind to my mother.


Someone's mother is posting here? Aw man, I'll have to watch my language now.


Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:28 am
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Post Re: Are Conservatives destroying the Republican Party?
Yeah, you better, Ozy!

:lol:

I love the Jefferson quotes--

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gomtuu77 wrote:
This is why you'll see increasing wars, immorality, and suffering on scales unimagined in human history.


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Post Re: Are Conservatives destroying the Republican Party?
poet wrote:
Yeah, you better, Ozy!

:lol:

I love the Jefferson quotes--


:)

Let me clarify that I don't believe that any single party or political philosophy has ownership of the totality of Jefferson's beliefs.


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Post Re: Are Conservatives destroying the Republican Party?
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Let me clarify that I don't believe that any single party or political philosophy has ownership of the totality of Jefferson's beliefs.
I totally agree! Democrats, Republicans, Independents, Libertarians, liberals, conservatives, moderates, and others can all be patriotic Americans who love their country and wish to preserve its values. We all agree on that, even if we disagree on the details of governance. This is why I reacted so strongly to Arlo's views to the contrary.

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